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Tokin' Up With A Toddler?

Mon Mar 5, 2007 2:50 PM EST
drugs, children, marijuana, us-news, toddlers, illegal-substances, watauga-texas
By Heidi Ari
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In recent news, a shocking video of two young brothers (ages two and five) has surfaced. In Watauga, Texas, police found the video among stolen merchandise in the apartment of the children's seventeen year old uncle. The teen and his friend are seen laughing as the boys "fall around." Both held the joint and inhaled, as if the video-recorded session had not been their first. One of the older teens was filmed placing the marijuana cigarette in the younger child's mouth. The five-year-old smoked without assistance.

Providing drugs and/or alcohol to young children is unquestionably wrong in my view. I believe individuals have the right to choose whether or not they wish to experiment with certain substances later in life, after their brain cells have fully developed; however, this decision should not be made for them. The two and five year old seen in the video may or may not pursue a life of addiction in their subsequent years, but they are definitely more likely to use drugs later in life than other children who have not been exposed to marijuana at a young age.

The children's mother, who was supposedly sleeping in the back room during the pot-smoking session, should be culpable to some extent. When an adult chooses to entrust his or her children to another adult (or teenager), is it not his or her parental responsibility to be sure the caregivers will positively influence the children? If the mother was truly unaware of the activities in which her children were being involved, one would imagine her immediate reaction toward the teens would be negative. I am curious to learn whether the mother will held accountable in any way, as there are few, if any, justifications for complete inattentiveness in regards to one's children.

The seventeen and eighteen year old have been charged with third-degree felonies and the children are in the custody of child services. This event is distressing as it leads one to question the certainty of these children's futures. Now separated from their families and exposed to substances they may or may not have otherwise ever partaken in, one cannot begin to wonder where these children will end up in the future. This is not to say that these kids could not turn out to be "successful" individuals later in life; however, with their present situations taken into account, they already have a few strikes against them. The children may overcome their obstacles or conversely allow them to become an all-encompassing determinant in their lives.

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Novanglus

Wow. I used to live near Watauga. Very sad story for those kids. I do hope things turn out for the best for them somehow but I'm afraid you're probably right about how they're doomed to turn out. Very good writing by the way.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Mar 5, 2007 4:07 PM EST
Heidi Ari

Yes, it is very sad and I hope they are able to overcome their circumstances.

Thank you.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Mon Mar 5, 2007 4:23 PM EST
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whatwasleft

Nice piece. This is an unfortunate bit of news. I caught it on the wire earlier this week. Frankly, you did a better job reporting it than the reporter!

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Mar 5, 2007 6:56 PM EST
Heidi Ari

Thank you very much. I appreciate the comment and compliment.

This news is unfortunate. Delinquent decisions were made by all parties involved—the teenagers, who negligently chose to have fun in the wrong way, and the mom, who was seemingly oblivious to the circumstances in which her sons were involved.

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Mon Mar 5, 2007 7:43 PM EST
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Alex Neckelmann

In the seventies in Brazil, it wasn't uncommon for kids to smoke pot at that age. Nonetheless, they are not mature enough to handle the substance.

Interesting read.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Mar 5, 2007 8:38 PM EST
Heidi Ari

That is an interesting consideration. Thank you.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 9:08 AM EST
Heidi Ari

By the way, the thought of usage by young children in other countries has crossed my mind before. I wonder if this is still common in many countries today-- in which case, this action is only seen as shocking here because it is not a built in part of our culture.
Thanks again.

  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 9:14 AM EST
whatwasleft

That very well could be.

  • 1 vote
#3.3 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 11:24 AM EST
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bmvaughn

Great piece. I saw this on CNN and I think what worried me the most was that the mother looked to be about 12 years old. And the Great Grandmother looked to be no older than 50.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Mar 5, 2007 10:47 PM EST
Heidi Ari

Yes, the mother appeared to be young, possibly near the age of her brother. In this case, I am not certain that there is any direct correlation between the age of the caregivers and the situation at hand, however, some contribute maturity to age and experience.

It would be interesting to know how many cases such as this occur when the caregivers are of an older chronological age. After all, maturity does not necessarily come with age (although many believe this to be true). Rather, maturity and responsibility are factors that may differ greatly from one individual to the next.

Thank you.

    #4.1 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 9:25 AM EST
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    JimmyHavok

    So far, I have seen no evidence whatsoever that marijuana has any debilitating effects on children(or anyone else, for that matter), or on their mental development. In fact, the children of my friends who smoke pot are all quite gifted. That could simply be because most of my friends are gifted people.

    If they were getting the kids drunk, that would be a terrible thing, but I suspect that the reaction would not be nearly as extreme. Somehow or other, a poison that produces intoxication by causing brain damage is regarded as more acceptable in our society than a substance that mimics natural brain chemicals and has no toxic dose.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Mon Mar 5, 2007 10:53 PM EST
    Alex Neckelmann

    Dude, all stoners say marijuana isn't bad for you. And for the most part, it isn't. People are just against it for various reasons.

    • 2 votes
    #5.1 - Mon Mar 5, 2007 11:41 PM EST
    JimmyHavok

    I don't smoke pot, because I don't like the effects any more. I quit about 25 years ago. But it's more than stoners who say there's nothing wrong with pot, there are a lot of researchers saying the same thing.

    I haven't quite figured out the people who are in favor of keeping pot illegal. The cops like it because it's easy money: there's no one safer to bust than a pothead. The rest of them are either stuck in the past, still hating hippies 30 years later, or they just hate fun.

    It's probably not a good idea to be getting little kids stoned, because we can't be sure about the effects, but the hysteria over this is a bit extreme.

    • 1 vote
    #5.2 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 3:16 AM EST
    wibs

    I'd say the 50-70% more carcinogens in marijuana than cigarettes are worth keeping out of a 5 year old's mouth.

    • 5 votes
    #5.3 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 8:46 AM EST
    Heidi Ari

    Somehow or other, a poison that produces intoxication by causing brain damage is regarded as more acceptable in our society than a substance that mimics natural brain chemicals and has no toxic dose.

    I have considered similar statements time and time again, and I agree with you in many respects.

    The point I was attempting to stress is that marijuana, alcohol, or otherwise, should not be given to such young children. Wait until they are older and allow them to decide for themselves... I would not give any toddler or young child a substance that can and is abused by many adults. When their brains are still developing in many ways, one would think avoiding altering substances would be the best decision.

    If, at age eighteen, nineteen, or older, they decide to try out smoking or drinking, I do not see the problem. In such a situation, the decision is fully theirs, not something that was decided for them at a very young age. Many young teens experiment with such substances all the time, but they are of an age where they are fully capable of handling themselves, at least to some extent.

    To give a toddler, who may or may not even be able wipe his own bottom, drugs or alcohol seems like a distortion of priorities. First thing's first. Teach a child how to read, write, eat without assistance, use the toilet, dress him or herself, etc. (abilities necessary for becoming self sufficient) and then we may concern ourselves with other ventures.

    Out of curiosity, (if you do not mind) how old were your friends' children when first introduced to marijuana?

    Thank you for your comment. I appreciate the time you took out to read my article and respond.

    • 2 votes
    #5.4 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 9:52 AM EST
    angie*

    Jimmy, I do agree with you on many things, however, your nonchalance regarding this is quite disturbing. Now that may be because I have a 6 months old baby here at home, I don't know. But the thought of being ok with a 2 year old inhaling cigarette smoke, whether that's pot or Marlboro, simply boggles my mind.

    As mothers there's an incredible amount of pressure on us to, from the moment we learn we're pregnant, do the right thing, the best thing. If we smoke, we quit, if we drink, we quit. Hell, I even gave up my decade-long Sushi addiction practically in an instant - all for the well-being of my little one. After she was born, I decided to breastfeed, just one out of a gazillion decisions mothers are faced with about how to pride the best start for our children. WE are told to put our babies to sleep on their backs out of fear of SIDS, we're told not to give them honey, because of the risk of infant botulism. We spend thousands of dollars on newer and safer infant seats and high chairs, we take classes on infant CPR and first aid, we do whatever we can to raise healthy children in safe environments.

    And then you tell me the hysteria over this is a bit extreme?

    You don't have kids, do you?

    • 3 votes
    #5.5 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 10:25 AM EST
    angie*

    pride=provide

    apologies.

    • 1 vote
    #5.6 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 10:27 AM EST
    JimmyHavok

    I agree that it's not a good idea to give kids pot. However, I also think this thing has been blown out of proportion, considering the likely harm that was done. Those kids are definitely better off in a house with a pot-smoker than in a house with a drunk, but some kid giving his nephew a beer would never make the national news.

    My friends' kids were introduced to pot in the womb, before my friends knew they were pregnant. The first few weeks of gestation are actually the most dangerous ones for exposure to toxins. They laid off the wacky weed when they found they were pregnant, for the most part, although I do remember people talking about pot being a cure for morning sickness.

    Almost all of my friends with kids have quit smoking pot except on rare occasions. When you have a family and a mortgage, you get kind of paranoid about that sort of thing.

    Frankly, I don't believe that pot has more carcinogens than tobacco. The most reliable sources I found said they might be equal. Even so, no one smokes 20 joints a day.

    • 1 vote
    #5.7 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 5:40 PM EST
    angie*

    Same difference. When it comes to babies and children 'a little hysteria' is more than appropriate, IMHO.
    And I'm sorry.. folks who continue to smoke (be it pot or 'just' tobacco) through pregnancy or even after, with a baby in the house, would lose, not necessarily my friendship, but certainly my respect.

      #5.8 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 6:06 PM EST
      angie*

      Just an update. I had to read more about this.

      1.

      Doctors advise pregnant women not to use any drugs because they might harm the growing fetus. Although one animal study has linked marijuana use to loss of the fetus very early in pregnancy, two studies in humans found no association between marijuana use and early pregnancy loss. More research is necessary to fully understand the effects of marijuana use on pregnancy outcomes.

      Some scientific studies have found that babies born to women who used marijuana during their pregnancy display altered responses to visual stimulation, increased tremors, and a high pitched cry, which may indicate problems with nervous system development. During pre- and early school years, marijuana-exposed children have been reported to have more behavioral problems and difficulties with sustained attention and memory than nonexposed children (3).

      Researchers are not certain whether any effects of marijuana during pregnancy persist as the child grows up; however, because some parts of the brain continue to develop into adolescence, it is also possible that certain kinds of problems will become more evident as the child matures.

      2.

      The effects of marijuana on the fetus are the subject of some debate. There are reports in the literature of decreased body length, intrauterine growth retardation, neurobehavioral effects, and an increased incidence of prematurity.

      3.

      Given evidence that THC affects female reproductive function, one might expect it to have a potentially adverse effect on the outcome of pregnancy.

      There is a possibility that THC, and possibly other cannabinoids, are teratogens, (i.e. substances that may interfere with the normal development of the foetus in utero).

      The animal evidence indicates that in sufficient dosage cannabis can produce resorption, growth retardation, and malformations in mice, rats, rabbits, and hamsters (Bloch, 1983, p406).

      Growth resorption and growth retardation have been more consistently reported than birth malformations (Abel, 1985).

      There is also evidence that cannabis increases rates of malformations but the doses required to reliably produce malformations have been very high.

      I'd rather get used to the morning sickness, I can tell you that much.

        #5.9 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 6:14 PM EST
        Alex Neckelmann

        I'd say the 50-70% more carcinogens in marijuana than cigarettes are worth keeping out of a 5 year old's mouth.

        Good point, but would it be as bad if they had simply consumed the marijuana? What if somebody patented a filter for marijuana? There are definitely pros and cons of marijuana. I also think that being exposed to carcinogens once from marijuana isn't that bad. There are so many carcinogenic compounds that it's difficult to avoid them all. The list goes on forever. Here's a link about them:

        • 2 votes
        #5.10 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 10:55 PM EST
        Alex Neckelmann

        Sorry, here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen

          #5.11 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 10:55 PM EST
          JimmyHavok

          Although one animal study has linked marijuana use to loss of the fetus very early in pregnancy

          It's hard to trust NIDA marijuana studies on animals, typically they involve near-asphyxiation with marijuana smoke, followed by the conclusion that marijuana causes brain damage etc. If you don't produce negative results for a NIDA study, you don't get any more money.

          http://www.jackherer.com/chapter15.html

          As reported in Playboy, the Heath "Voodoo" Research methodology involved strapping Rhesus monkeys into a chair and pumping them with equivalent of 63 Colombian strength joints in "five minutes, through gas masks," losing no smoke. Playboy discovered that Heath had administered 63 joints in five minutes over just three months instead of administering 30 joints per day over a one-year period as he had first reported. Heath did this, it turned out, in order to avoid having to pay an assistant's wages every day for a full year.

          ...Now, in 1999, 17 years have passed and not a single word of Dr. Heath's or Dr. Nahas' research has been verified! But their studies are still hauled out by the Partnership for a Drug Free America, the Drug Enforcement Administration, city and state narcotics bureaus, plus politicians and, in virtually all public instances, held up as scientific proof of the dangers of marijuana.

          http://cannabisnews.com/news/5/thread5019.shtml

          Dr. Robert Heath of Tulane Medical School did extensive studies of the effect of marijuana on the brains of monkeys. He was world-renowned for his research on the brain, and he was the head of the departments of psychiatry and neurology at five hospitals in the New Orleans area.

          A typical experiment performed by Dr. Heath was to allow a monkey to smoke the equivalent of a human's smoking two joints of pot per day containing 2.5% THC, five days per week for six months. The monkey was allowed to recover for six months and then was killed. Brain waves were measured from electrodes embedded in the brain. The brain waves had become severely distorted after two months of smoking, and remained severely distorted until the monkey was killed.

          Interesting contrast, there, eh?

            #5.12 - Wed Mar 7, 2007 12:27 AM EST
            angie*

            I can't believe we're even discussing this, Jimmy. We're talking about a two and a five-year-old child consuming marijuana. Please.

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            #5.13 - Wed Mar 7, 2007 7:56 AM EST
            JimmyHavok

            I'm not approving of that, I'm pointing out that the hysteria over it is out of proportion with the actual harm.

              #5.14 - Wed Mar 7, 2007 3:51 PM EST
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              David Mc Girr

              Nice work, well written.

              Welcome to the Vine.

              -Dave

              (Use the term NDC to one of the veterans... they'll know what it means in relation to me)

              • 1 vote
              Reply#6 - Mon Mar 5, 2007 11:39 PM EST
              miasma

              Agreed. Nice bit of presentation.

              • 1 vote
              #6.1 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 8:41 AM EST
              Heidi Ari

              Thanks to both of you. I appreciate the time you took to read my post.

              • 2 votes
              #6.2 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 9:56 AM EST
              David Mc Girr

              You're welcome to join the newsvine drunks group.

              I've actually made a provision for drug related articles,
              you can join and post it there if you like.

              -Dave

              • 1 vote
              #6.3 - Wed Mar 7, 2007 6:04 PM EST
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              Joseph Cotton

              I spent my honeymoon in Jamaica and while on the way to resort, saw kids of all ages on the street getting lifted. It's so ingrained in the culture there that it's 'no problem'.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#7 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 10:53 AM EST
              KyleN

              I was in Jamaica just under a year ago, and I don't remember anything other than praying I made it alive on that crazy road trip to the resort :)

              They had their main (I think) highway-like road all torn up for construction, so drivers just picked wherever there was something resembling pavement and drove it full speed no matter what anybody else was doing just honk and flash lights and hope for the best. It was a trip itself, no drugs required! And I thought those guys were supposed to be all laid back.

              • 2 votes
              #7.1 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 11:50 AM EST
              Heidi Ari

              Culture is definitely a determining factor when applied to the way we perceive certain acts as acceptable or unacceptable depending on the circumstances.

              Thanks for your comment.

              Simply contemplating the various ways people react to stories such as this leads one to ponder the weight and complexity of social structures.

                #7.2 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 1:46 PM EST
                Joseph Cotton

                @ Kyle,

                Man, I feel you! Our driver was insane. I mean it's beyond be to even understand how we made it to they resort in one piece. It was indeed, a trip- literally figuratively.

                  #7.3 - Wed Mar 7, 2007 9:20 PM EST
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                  Ryan Stolte-Sawa

                  When an adult chooses to entrust his or her children to another adult (or teenager), is it not his or her parental responsibility to be sure the caregivers will positively influence the children?

                  Nice piece, and absolutely, parents are responsible for the behaviour of their children. I also agree that it's important that parents keep young kids away from drugs and carefully moderate their exposure to alcohol until they are older. How much older? I guess that depends on the kid.

                  My folks never stressed the importance of staying away from drugs or booze, and I did--it was understood that I would--until I was a senior in high school. I consider myself a veteran drinker, and didn't try weed until a year or two ago (in the haze, I forget exactly how long *tongue in cheek*).

                  My dad actually started asking me about my pot use when I was 13 or 14, and even suggested I check the stuff out, but I waited until I emerged from puberty and felt comfortable. I enjoy a good buzz as much as the next guy, but I think I still prefer being sober if I'm not at a party or a bar.

                  I guess the point in there somewhere is that no matter who you think your kids, or their friends, might be, parents can never expect to be totally clued into what's going on in a teenager's life. It's foolish to expect that of any parent: teenagers are people, too; emotionally volatile people; and just as they are capable, just like grown-ups, of making decisions to smoke or not to smoke, to drink or not to drink, they are also able to keep secrets like grown-ups do.

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#8 - Wed Mar 7, 2007 1:39 AM EST
                  Heidi Ari

                  Thank you for your comments. I'm glad you enjoyed my article.

                  It is good that you waited to experiment until you were comfortable and ready.

                  I guess the point in there somewhere is that no matter who you think your kids, or their friends, might be, parents can never expect to be totally clued into what's going on in a teenager's life. It's foolish to expect that of any parent: teenagers are people, too; emotionally volatile people; and just as they are capable, just like grown-ups, of making decisions to smoke or not to smoke, to drink or not to drink, they are also able to keep secrets like grown-ups do.

                  You made some very pertinent points (as I believe this is true of the way many teens view interaction with their parents).
                  Thanks again for your insight!

                  • 1 vote
                  #8.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:11 PM EST
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                  sackogalleons

                  Oh wow. What a twisted world. A 2 year old and a 5 year old? Sad sad sad. True, these kids are at great risk for continuing with smoking pot in their lives, but what about the health risks? I mean, I don't know much about marijuana, but would it be similar to alcohol in that alcohol tolerance depends on the weight of the consumer? If it's dangerous for a grown teen to smoke marijuana, how much worse would it be for a small child? I do hope these kids haven't been too scarred in their short lives to be able to recover.

                    Reply#9 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:29 AM EST
                    ohsunsetcity

                    Well I think a lot of your comments were addressed in the posts above. Since there isn't much research on the subject, the short and long term effects of marijuana use on young children (and people of all ages for that matter) is for the most part speculation. While I feel like it is a little extreme and an example of negligence on the parents part in this situation, I feel like the outrage to this situation is out of place. I would have to agree with Jimmy Havoks' post above:

                    So far, I have seen no evidence whatsoever that marijuana has any debilitating effects on children(or anyone else, for that matter), or on their mental development. In fact, the children of my friends who smoke pot are all quite gifted. That could simply be because most of my friends are gifted people.

                    If they were getting the kids drunk, that would be a terrible thing, but I suspect that the reaction would not be nearly as extreme. Somehow or other, a poison that produces intoxication by causing brain damage is regarded as more acceptable in our society than a substance that mimics natural brain chemicals and has no toxic dose.

                    • 1 vote
                    #9.1 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:57 AM EST
                    JimmyHavok

                    If it's dangerous for a grown teen to smoke marijuana

                    What if it's not?

                      #9.2 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:22 PM EST
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                      raechel

                      Interestingly enough, one of my close friends just revealed to me that his mother would use pot to treat his allgeries. His mother would boil the plant and make him ingest the drink before bedtime. Of course, I asked why she would do this instead of using common medicines and he said that she could not afford to buy them. He said his mother just didn't know what else to do for him.

                      Although this situation is entirely different from the one you have reported it on, I thought it was interesting to share the story with you because people rarely expect a child of a very young age to be exposed to substances like pot. Even though it was for medicinal purposes, it still strikes people in a weird way because they're not used hearing marjuana being used in that context.

                      It is sad that these children were being abused in such a way, and hopefully they can overcome the situation.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#10 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:35 PM EST
                      Alex Neckelmann

                      I would've never expected marjuana to be used for the treatment of allergies. What kind of allergies did he/she have?

                      • 1 vote
                      #10.1 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:20 PM EST
                      raechel

                      I'm guessing sinus. He had trouble going to sleep at night, and nothing she did could ever make him comfortable. This alternative way worked well. Then after they got some money she could afford to take him to the doctor. It doesn't sound like marjuana could help sinus problems, but I'm sure it helped him to relax.

                      • 2 votes
                      #10.2 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:49 PM EDT
                      angie*

                      Then after they got some money she could afford to take him to the doctor.

                      I'm guessing she grew the weed in the backyard, right?

                        #10.3 - Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:59 PM EDT
                        raechel

                        I'm sure she did.

                          #10.4 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:53 PM EDT
                          JimmyHavok

                          Two birds with one stone: a home remedy for the allergy, plus money to see the doctor.

                            #10.5 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:55 PM EDT
                            raechel

                            well, pretty sure she didn't sell it. ha.

                              #10.6 - Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:25 PM EDT
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                              lighthouse-358003

                              Greetings,

                              I am a mother who smoked marijuana most of the time while pregnant with my child. I have a history of smoking marijuana and never in my wildest imagination did I ever think that I would have smoked while carrying my first child. I too, have severe allergies (sinusitis and rhinisitus) and suffer from back issues. I was dealing with some depression and major morning sickness. The first two months I did not smoke but I couldn't stop throwing up and needed to go to work. So I smoked one morning to help me keep some food down and I continued throughout the rest of the pregnancy. Am I proud of my choice, not for an instance am I proud. I am middle class, educated, considered privileged by some and religious. My daughter is healthy and exceptionally smart. My daycare provider states that she is even advanced cognitively (1 year ahead) as evidenced by my daughter's creativity and comprehension. My daughter is petite and under weight. I am not a bad person. I just wish that I could have had more support while pregnant. I can't go back in the past and must move forward.My husband and I adore our child and so does the rest of the family. We provide the most loving and supportive environment for her (art projects at home, healthy mealtimes, love, traveling the state to see family, and teaching her to love animals, teaching her spanish). So, how can I get the support that I need to help forgive myself and be the best mother to my daughter. Believe it or not I am a mental health provider. Please don't judge me but I am reaching out for support, advise, and recommendations to this community. Please any normalization could help. Thank you.

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